Peter Schöber, HD Analyst, Teacher, Author, On Radically Experimenting With His Design, the Emotional Process, Type Dynamics, and Current Global Shifts

SEASON 1: EPISODE 9

Published 06/14/2020

Amy: Peter Schöber is a longtime Human Design teacher, author, and practitioner, who’s been radically dedicated to his personal process, and prolific in his professional work with the system. His approach is deeply grounded, direct, and practical. He’s been an Analyst since 1993 and currently directs Analyst and teacher training in Germany and Switzerland. His first book, The Centres, is one of our favorites for learning about Human Design and is an excellent resource for anyone interested in the system at any level. From his first meeting with Ra, who was the founder of this system, to the development of his own unique style of working with students and clients, to his perspective on the current state of the world, Peter shares a rare quality of emotional presence that feels uncomplicated by the mind. The purity of his response is truly palpable. We open the episode with Peter sharing the basic elements of his Human Design Bodygraph.

Peter: To tell you the basics of my Design before we get started, I’m a 3/5 Emotional Generator, with the 58/18, the 39/55, the 37/14, the 46/29 split off, and a totally open throat. I have a left body and a left mind, and I’m active in the environment. How did I meet Human Design? There are two answers to that. Around that time, I had a bookstore in Vienna. That bookstore specialized in the esoteric and therapy, so self-development and New Age stuff. I was kind of aware that the world was not as it looked. On the other hand, I was always interested in books. I have an open mind, so, of course, I want to read everything. Creating a bookstore was like the final dream of my open mind. Nevertheless, I had the opportunity to get to know many interesting people. I read many books. It was clear to me that between certain elements of traditional esoteric and magic, there must be connections.

If you look, for example, at the Kabbalah, in astrology it is clear that there must be a connection, and an attempt to bring that together can be found in Tarot. For some time, I was very engaged in studying Tarot, and I published a book about Tarot. At the time, I lived in a very beautiful place in Vienna, which I actually could not afford, but life provided it somehow. The guy who was running the whole thing was born in Vienna, emigrated to the United States immediately before World War II, was brought up there, and later came back. He was an old man, he made movies. He was very nice, educated, and was a wise man. He had, of course, a lot of connections to the United States. So, from time to time, we had interesting visitors. Well, in one day to visit a vostra. And the Taos. We lived in a huge house, but there were only three of us. We were very close friends.

So, what’s going on in one part of the house was definitely not hitting in the other one. It was kind of inevitable that I would meet Ra. At that time, the first thing you heard about Human Design was that it was a synthesis of chakras, astrology, and physics. It was exactly what I was looking for. I was of course interested, so I got a reading. The situation was not really super. I was very tired and I was his eighth reading. At the time, the reading was very short. It was maybe 45 minutes. There were no Types and no Profiles. It was very elementary. You cannot compare that to what we have today. With all four of my motors defined and no connection to the throat, I had always tried to be a Manifestor. I had worked like a maniac, and of course, it didn’t work. I knew that I was not stupid, but it didn’t work. If it worked, it was just enough to get rid of the last catastrophe.

I was hoping that in the reading he would tell me basically, “You are the perfect Manifestor, but here you have made a little mistake.” If you correct it every single time- then, the guy tells me that I’m not at war and instead, I should wait. I’m a 55, so waiting was not my strong suit. I almost would have liked to spit on him. Whilst I had such a strong response, it was clear to me, “Oh, boy, there is something to this.” When I started my deconditioning process, it was just two things. I stopped initiating, and I did not decide in a fast way anymore, not more than that. Then, I got in touch with some knowledge that was interesting. I was always very determined. The next year, I took the Analyst education and started visiting.

Amy: This was early in Human Design, so is this in the early 90s? Late 80s?

Peter: Yes, this was in 1992.

Amy: This is something that we’ve heard people talk about a lot. I think that we both see a lot of where in a first reading, there’s that experience of some kind of recognition of the truth, but also some kind of irritation or resistance to the facts.

Peter: Yes. That is not an exception.

Amy: Did you immediately move into studying Human Design?

Peter: Yes. At the time, the only Black Book that existed was the line text. Then, I offered an Analyst education in Germany the next year. Again, the Analyst education was eight days, from eight o’clock in the morning to 10 o’clock in the evening. On day nine, there was an examination. That was it. It was the wild, wild west. Of course, you cannot compare it to today.

Amy: As you mentioned, the initial reading that you had was very different from the way things have developed today. What was it like to go through and witness the process of the development of this system, as all of these terms, the format, and the structure of how it’s taught were developed? What was that like as it was happening, to have the Types, Authorities, and all of that come in?

Peter: It was like it was unfolding of the formula. What I got, in my opinion, is the formula. His plan has been made to become the formula, but he did not have all of the details himself, either. He also had to investigate that formula. He unfolded it year after year. So I will describe what I have observed in the end.

Amy: We both really love your Centres book. I think it’s one of the best primers for anyone just coming into Human Design, we recommend it all the time. I have also found it, as a practitioner, to be really, really helpful in terms of doing ongoing work with people or interactive work with people. Some people get a reading, and they just sort of disseminate the information and walk away. For John and I, as Projectors, we tend to find ourselves working with people in an ongoing way. Your book was really helpful for that. At some point, we came across a recording of you doing a demo with someone, maybe at an Ibiza event or something. My experience of it was the way you worked with them as a Generator and the way you did it was so simple, so direct, and it seemed to get right to the heart of the Not-Self and of nature. It reminded me of when I saw a really skilled, masterful therapist do a demo with a client. So, I’m wondering about how you developed your way of working with people because it’s very interactive. This is kind of unusual, I think, in the way most people are using Human Design.

Peter: Actually, it’s not that from a practical point of view. When I started to give Living Designs in Vienna, at the time, the idea was you make two days of Living Design, and then a cert day, let’s say six weeks later. That never really worked. So, I decided to give a three-day Leading Design, but I do offer people, let’s say, an exercise day, one in spring and one in autumn for free. It created a very good package. They came for these days, and they had practical questions about their life. Once they came, they had to at least try it somehow to apply their Strategy, Authority, or whatever. This helped me to learn a lot about how the formula turns out in life.

In the beginning, it was really more of a formula than something that was picked up by actual experience. Later, I taught not only in Vienna, but I taught in other cities in Germany and Switzerland. It was obvious that I could only give three days of Living Design. I would not go for a second time to another country for one day. I established that format for myself. That individual work was always, especially in Design, where everything started, totally important. The point is not only that you understand, the point is that you feel it in your body. If you cannot connect the understanding with what you experience in the body, it is extremely difficult.

We all know and your clients will also have told you that 50% of our Generators have no idea how Sacral responses fail, or how to recognize their Not-Self patterns. You have an open spleen, you may be dependent on whatever. However, the mind is so good at disguising, explaining, and justifying that you can only cut through in a dialogue. Additionally, if I work with one participant, everybody else will benefit from that too. It is literally a part of the whole thing. Most of this is what I call for myself ‘Transformational Work’. My sun is in the quarter of mutation, so I am mutation, and mutation, and mutation. This is the most satisfying part. At the same time, as you have very well described, it is a little bit of my plan. That is what makes me different.

Amy: I’m wondering if you can tell us about what the process was like for you as a Generator and as an Emotional Generator in coming to terms with that Sacral response? How was that recognition? How did that develop for you personally?

Peter: Slowly. Obviously, I’m slow. As I said, I started with not initiating and taking my time in decision-making. That did not change my life in a week, but the resistance was gone. Just slow down. Before, when I would drive to my bookstore, I would start from home and tell myself, “Not later than in 25 minutes.” Then, I just had a row of resistance until I finally arrived and didn’t find a parking place. I said, “Not earlier than 25 minutes.” All of a sudden I was there in 23 minutes without any resistance. It was very small but very impressive and interesting. This is interesting. I applied it. I’m not a very practical person, I’m a 3/5. So, I applied it whenever I had an idea how I could in my private life and also in my professional life.

The first teacher training took place in Ibiza in 1995 Several people were there. Everybody, of course, was very excited. I think there were three people from Austria. We come back and everybody’s very excited. They all announced a seminar, and of course, I had to cancel it. At that time, I was already able to say, “I will not initiate this thing. I’ll wait a little bit.” Maybe three months later, one of my very good clients, almost a friend, came to me at the bookstore and said, “Didn’t you take the teacher training about Human Design? Wouldn’t you like to have a seminar one day?” I said, “Okay, you get your agenda, and I’ll get mine.” In my first seminar, I had 12 participants. Not only did it work, but it is also very convincing that it works. So, in missteps like that, slowly but surely, it developed.

John: One of the things that really stood out to me in the Centres book, Peter, was how you would take what could seem like a really abstract concept for people in Human Design, and then use everyday language, to relate it to their personal experience. An example I think he used was being slow rather than fast. For example, if you have an emotional definition- people running around trying to go faster, or maybe open routes going faster. To put it into simple terms that we can all experience, being able to take it from the head, and then relate to it in the body in some way. That seems very powerful when a person can have that experience.

Peter: Exactly. The moment of blending between understanding and feeling is there, then it gets a life.

John: Otherwise, it just stays in the head as an interesting system or curiosity, it seems?

Peter: Yes, yes, yes. It is still good enough that you can sell it, but it does not have the impact that you want.

Amy: I’m wondering if you can tell us more about the emotional process or the emotional experience. We’ve been talking a lot about the difference between emotional awareness and emotional energy. I have a completely open emotional center, so it’s something that I study or look at. When I first started investigating it, I thought, “Maybe the emotional energy and the emotional intensity that emotional people feel is part of their process of coming to awareness or truth.” Then, the more I sat with it and studied people, I started to see that it seemed that the emotional intensity and the emotional energy were actually interfering with the awareness and truth. It was almost more about waiting for the emotional energy to settle. Then, you could see something. So, I’m wondering, I don’t know if you see it that way, but I’m curious about how you see the awareness and the energy play out in the emotional center.

Peter: The difficulty, of course, is the power of the wave. This is a moment where everybody easily gets overwhelmed by the energy and the quality of the energy. If it is pleasure, then you want to be in pleasure. If it’s pain, then you want to get rid of the pain. In both cases, you are not aware. This is the challenge, even if life is there, you are still available and know what’s going on. Sometimes I have to say I’m not interested in it. Sometimes I just want to have the joy or the pleasure. If you follow the way along, there is a development of awareness taking place, not only for others but also for yourself. What I do experience is disorder breaks being a tool. They’re really a tool for recognizing something. The waves are not always so strong.

It’s not always that you are totally fair, equal, or totally desperate. There are many, many different states and often, if I have a response, the response is accompanied by a kind of feeling. That is very trustworthy for me. That does not mean that I have to make a bigger decision, of course not. It turns out that in many cases, the first feeling that I have is very accurate. This is not something that I would say to a beginner because they will think they will not need to wait. In later stages, what comes is a resume of things that are correct for you. Generally speaking, it makes it easier to find the right people or to find the right things. It is automatically thrown to what is good for you. At the same time, the strength of my emotions has not changed, but I can say they do not rule me in that sense. If I give in, as I said before, sometimes I want to just take my pleasure, then that is another conscious decision. It is not overruling me.

Amy: You have 39/55, so there’s not only the intensity of pain at times but also the melancholy or individuality that can go with it. How do you handle that now? How did the process of going through the low part of the wave develop for you?

Peter: Most of the time, I’m very lucky. When I work, I’m always in a good mood. I’m never really in a bad mood when I work. It can be that one minute after I finish, there may be something different, but working is something that brings me a lot of stability, even on an emotional level. The other thing is that if you want to have joy, you need to accept pain. The 55 is very mystical in my understanding. There is a step, not only if you want to have good feelings, but also if you want to avoid bad feelings. Generally speaking, there is a stage where you are just interested in the intensity. I do not care so much about what side of the wave it is, I like it to be strong. That’s what I will say, I like the intensity of the emotional field. Additionally, looking for abundance leads you to many interesting experiences. For me, everything is just an experience. I do not have any holy cows, it is just an experience.

Amy: I’ve never heard anyone say that the way you did. It’s very interesting to me what you’re talking about, as an emotional being that over time- perhaps what you’re saying is, once you come into your own frequency, or once you have a strong sense of your own frequency, you can recognize what resonates more quickly than at the start.

Peter: There is nothing for the first seven years. It’s just an observation.

Amy: I’m wondering, in your work now, what’s the focus of how you work with people? Are you mostly teaching? Are you mostly doing readings, or is there a particular aspect of the work that’s more your focus?

Peter: I would say two big fields, one field is teaching. There is a certain variation, but I may have between 70-100 teaching days a year. I teach mainly of course in German-speaking countries, the Russian Federation, and in Italy, but I have also been to Ukraine and Kazakhstan. These were like excursions, but Italy and the Russian Federation are a regular ongoing story. This is very precious to me, I like it very much and it is at the core of my work. I have a partner in Switzerland and we have a company there where we specialize in two things: translating many things from Ra into German and publishing them as printed books. This is only independent, so we do not deliver to bookstores and we do not sell it via Amazon. We sell it ourselves. That is a little bit more expensive, but it is solid. We are not dependent on anyone.

The other thing we have created is what I call collective products. I need to explain, I know. The problem is that a good reading is expensive. I don’t know how it is in the U.S., and of course, I’m a little bit more expensive than others, but even if you are more or less a beginner, it will cost you €200. For some people, that is like creating resistance. The first step is difficult, so I have created several products that we could call automated readings. You have to see that this is no scrap. I have a beginner’s reading that contains the analysis of the Center configuration, Types, Strategy, and Authority. I have been adding audios for over 10 years, so, these are following the Center configurations. There are almost 2,000 different Analyses, and additionally, they are differentiated by gender. That makes a very good product, and we sell it for €59. We sell 1,000s of them. This brings new people to Design.

Before we did that, there was a small group of people in Human Design who were very deep in it, and they studied this and that, but it is not growing so much. In talking about new people, this is a relatively cheap product. We have a whole range now. We have a professor reading and a PHS reading; there is a whole range now. We have the reports from Linda, but I’m specializing- this is all spoken, these are true readings. This is the second thing because I consider it to be very important, we are in the last seven years before 2027. If we go on at the speed that we have now, then we have no full faith in the job.

Amy: Are these in German?

Peter: Yes, it is in the German language.

Amy: Are they in English also?

Peter: Not so far. I’m very open to that, but it would be a very, very big effort to start something like that. That is a lot of work. The other thing is, while yes, I can speak English, whether or not I am the right speaker for an American or British community is an open question. I have my funny sides and my weak spots in my English. If you talk like that, it’s no problem, but if it is a professional product, I’m just not sure.

John: I wanted to go back to something you just touched on a moment ago, you said that at the current rate we’re moving in terms of Human Design, and reaching new people, that we’re not going to make it by 2027. Could you say a little bit more about that? What is your perspective there?

Peter: On the one hand, it’s speculation. A prophecy is very nice, but a prophecy cannot be proved. The future is always a little bit insecure. Looking at the world right now- in March of this year- in the last seven years, I started delivery times a child will be born according to the prophecy. So it is more or less a confirmation. If you’re looking to develop, there are so many problems that it cannot go on as it has been. It is very clear in one way or the other. The whole thing will explode. Human Design for us was a privilege. It allows us to live a life that is not free from resistance, but much easier than it was before. It brings us the fulfillment of our signature. It is endlessly interesting, you can spend a long life studying it and you will never get bored. That is a privilege.

However, if what Ra said is even half true, then you must design the key for survival. This is something else, after 2027, we will not teach PGL programs that go over four years. I expect that we will have very many fast classes. It is your examination of the times. Human Design has spread around. I agree it has spread around, but mostly, as you have said, it’s something very interesting. I am afraid that if we could compare the number of people who know Human Design, and the number of people who at least try to follow their Strategy and Authority, there will be a very big gap. If we can help to close that a little bit, I will be very happy. I’m very corrective. Both of my sons are 58/18s, so my light shines in the correction of the collective.

John: When you look out into the world right now, with the current world situation, with Coronavirus, and everything else that’s going on, one of the things that I see is it’s becoming more difficult for anyone to get clear on the facts. To know who to listen to, and where the accurate data is coming from, and for me, all of that points back to what you’re saying, which is that the relationship that we have with external authority is beginning to come into question or is breaking down. So, Human Design with Inner Authority, Strategy, and Authority, offers another possibility. Maybe it’s the possibility.

Peter: The Coronavirus is the perfect preparation, and at the same time, a perfect metaphor. If you look, it is totally obvious that nobody really knows. That is a fact. That means in the end, people will have to find out that nobody can know by mind. The great notation, the 61, is knowing that the mind cannot really know. That is at least what I hoped for. That would be a great motivation, not just another knowing. We have so many kinds of knowing and none of them work or are secure. To understand that the mind cannot know, but your body can, that will be annoying.

Amy: I think I heard you say that in some of the recorded readings that you’ve amassed, you have them differentiated by gender. Is that right? Can you say more about the reasoning behind that or what that does?

Peter: Well, if you address somebody, you cannot ignore the specific conditioning. In each society, being a man or a woman leads to different conditioning in 99% of all cases. That is enough to make a case for differentiation. The other thing is, I want to create products that are as differentiated as possible. If I do a Profile or reading, the differentiation is not only the Profile but it is also the gender, the age group, the Type, and the differentiation by Authority. There are 968 variations. These are the products and they have been very, very successful. Most beautifully, nobody can compete with them. I have my ego; I am competing, and I want to be the best one. Therefore, I’m a perfectionist.

Amy: That sounds perfect for you. If we take that a little further, what are some of the differences that you see between men and women in terms of being a Generator, for example?

Peter: It depends very much on the generation and the country. So, the traditional gender difference is that the men bring home the money and the woman cares for the children. In the reality of modern societies, that is very often not true, but it still exists in the heads. This is one of the problems. The same is true with relationships, if people think they are staying together for their whole life, that is just fantasy. It is in our heads because of the cliché. It is the fairy tale that has been told to all of us. You compare your own life and you suffer unnecessarily. Talking about the gender difference, for example, we all have in Design more quote-unquote male and female qualities. If you’re a man and you have your male qualities, everything is fine, but how do you deal with it if you have softer qualities? The same is true on the other side. A woman can also have a 51/25, or a 38/28, or something like that, but it makes a difference. It makes a difference in how we respond to the outside and what they may think about it.

John: It brings to mind being a female Manifestor versus a male Manifestor and how different that conditioning could be across the genders.

Peter: Absolutely.

John: The male would be encouraged to initiate more or to be more aggressive. Then, the female would be suppressed or be like “No, you can’t do that. That’s not how it works.”

Peter: They are just afraid to be seen as a bitch or something like that. Right?

Amy: Can you say a little bit more about how you work differently with people based on where they are in their stage of life?

Peter: Basically, if you understand the BodyGraph in a comfortable way, you address people how they are supposed to be addressed. That is, of course, not so easy to do. I know, it’s not as easy as it sounds. The most difficult Living Design experience is where practical exercises are building. One exercise had the Generators have to invite the Projectors in a proper way. Not one Generator was able to do that at first, not one. On the other hand, I have to say that not many Projectors were able to ask good questions. We all have something to learn about other types in a practical way. It is one thing to understand Projectors should be invited, but what does it mean? Yes, it is good to ask Generators, but how exactly do you do that? It sounds so easy, but it is not easy.

John: Is that something you could explain to us now? I’d like to pass that on to my family members.

Peter: Yes, yes, yes. It is also a very important topic. Many people live in an environment that is not interested in Human Design or one that is even hostile towards it. What do you do? In my experience, for example, I’m really not initiating. That means, if you do not ask me, I will never tell you about your Design. You can be my friend for 20 years and you will not hear a word about it. However, if you change, you change the system that you are a part of. There is nobody isolated. A part of our illusion is that we are isolated. Truly, wherever you belong, so to speak, if you change, the system changes at least a little bit. In the end, you did the only thing you could do, be true to yourself. Of course, it is a great grace, a great blessing, if people around you are also in the process. It makes it much much easier. No question.

Amy: Can you say more about this Projector/Generator relationship? The interaction between Projectors and Generators?

Peter: Of course, the easiest relationship is obviously in your own type. That’s one thing, but if we understand the differentiation of tribes, it must have some reason. The ones who can profit mostly from each other are Generators and Projectors. For Generators, it is not natural for them to care about the use of energy, it is like that. If I go to the supermarket, buy a bicycle, ride the bike. Let’s say I forget something, I don’t care, I like to move. This is not a bad thing. In the end, it is the guiding of awareness. That is a great topic, a very necessary topic, in the Generator-safe Commonwealth.

Before, Manifestors were great. They brought new stuff and then they destroyed everything. In that way, they’ve also been unscathed. Then, the Manifestors lost their influence. Then, you have the Generators without their Manifestor commanders. The Generators do what they can do best: more of everything. In thesis, it’s the root of our problems, the more, the ongoing, the eternal more.

John: It sounds like you’re saying that the correct role of Projectors going forward in the world, especially as it relates to Generators, is the guiding of awareness, that’s the emerging role that is needed.

Peter: Absolutely, everything follows awareness automatically. If you ever ask yourself, “How can you guide the energy of somebody else if you manage to guide the awareness?” It, of course, also needs an invitation, no question. It does not change the procedure. Everything automatically follows what you are made aware of, what you cannot overlook anymore.

Amy: This is helping me see a funny thing about myself and my own interaction with Generators. I think when I first discovered Human Design, what’s typically said is that you’re here to guide energy. However, I can see that if I started to interact with Generators and try to guide their energy, that didn’t always work so well. I really appreciate the way you’re saying it. You’re talking about Projectors guiding awareness so that a Generator can guide their own energy, or use their own energy.

Peter: Projectors are here to ask questions. Nothing guides awareness more than a question. If I asked you, “How’s the weather in your place?” You cannot help but turn your awareness to that question. That question is an extremely powerful tool. No other type is designed to use it like you. That question does not so easily meet the resistance. If you’re telling me what I should do, I can become very unfriendly. If you ask me a question, I may have a response or not, but this is what is kind of separating us.

John: On that topic of asking Generator questions, how would you describe the correct way to do that? As you mentioned earlier, you said that most projectors in that workshop weren’t really sure how to ask the correct question to a Generator. Could you expand on that?

Peter: I think first of all, it is very important to make sure that it is okay. Even if you have a friendship with somebody and you know each other, it is an easy and relaxed relationship, before you ask one of these questions, you should ask if this is a good moment to do it. I have some projectors in my life that have a standing invitation we could say. However, I can say sometimes, “I’m just not in the mood.” It’s just coming without any preparation. We could say, “Keep me in peace now. I’m just not ready for that.” Of course, that is not really a rejection, but one more question we won’t have.

Amy: I’m moved to ask about the Open Throat. You have a completely Open Throat and I heard you say something once about how getting attention is not the same as being seen.

Peter: Definitely.

Amy: Can you say more about that?

Peter: Everybody likes to be seen, it is a human thing. It’s not only a Type thing, but in the center for me, it’s that what I do is satisfying for me. This is true. That kind of work is very satisfying for me. So, that is the foundation. If somebody sees me, that is like additional sugar on top. While with the Open Throat, I was never in my case looking for attention, but I wanted to be a Manifestor. That was all with my four motors, all this energy wants to do something and there’s no way, or at least no fixed way, for how to do that. At least in my head was my personal trip. There also may be things I have done to get attention, like how I behaved in a restaurant or something like that. It did not create any major problems for me, but trying to be a Manifestor created a lot of problems.

That was always good with language, actually. From a very early time in school, I was very fascinated by language. It was not easy for me to speak about myself. So, if it was about something, it was, in most cases, not a big problem. In personal relationships, I had great difficulties expressing myself verbally. Then, of course, I remember when I started to teach. If there was somebody who had a communication connection, I always asked them to sit in the first row. Conditioning can be a support. Now, I’ve done it so many times that I can speak endlessly and not have any problems. However, with this role, I will not speak if you don’t ask me to.

John: I can really feel your response in this dialogue. It’s probably one of the better examples of a Generator being very grounded in their response that I’ve come across. It’s obvious to me- I was wondering if we could go back to something that we were talking about a little bit earlier, the differences in age. I’ve had a couple of situations where a handful of people show up, having heard of Human Design, for a foundation reading, who are in their mid-to-late 70s, for example. It feels to me that the approach that you take with a person at that stage of life would be quite different from the approach that you would take with someone who was coming to you as a 20-year-old.

Peter: There are two things, it depends. We have extremely new bodies, we have these mind-centered bodies, and they are capable of many things that we cannot yet really imagine. For example, especially in the U.S., there are many people in their mid-70s who are not thinking of dying in the next five years. They think of dying in 25 years, if at all. So, for them, the reading still means to change something for the better in their actual life. On the other hand, somebody who is that age- most people have their regrets. They have their regrets about what has happened in the past, the wrong decisions there, or whatever. Then, for me, the reading is also a possibility to create peace with the past.

If they can see their mechanic, for example, their Not-Self mechanic. Practically, if you do not have the knowledge, how are you supposed to come out of it? It is everywhere, it is more and more, and it is the easiest way, to a certain degree, to go. Still, you feel that something is wrong and it leads to decisions that are definitely not the best. Human Design is also sensing. It’s not only understanding, it’s also sensing. That will become more important as we enter a time of great change, people will have a lot of sensing questions.

Amy: Can you say more about this time of change that we’re going through, if you have a sense of where we’re headed, or what we’re going to need most?

Peter: Coronavirus is the beginning of the end. We have entered the seven-year cycle of dissolution and it will go very fast. From next year, it will go very very fast. Then, Pluto enters the 60, and shortly after that Neptune enters the 36. Then, you have a very strong limitation you cannot avoid, leading to a crisis that dissolves. This is what we can say is the first chapter of the tragedy. Each good tragedy has at least three chapters. The present, what we have now, is the prelude. It allows you to adjust to the fact that times are really changing. In my opinion, next year, we will open the first chapter. I actually have to do a seminar for the people in Moscow soon about 2027, the development of the world in 2027, and the mirror of the transit field. Therefore, I’m really adjusting the preparation of the presentation. The end of something very old and strong is not beautiful. None of these great, in the sense of being powerful, systems will go peacefully. They will get dirty, really dirty, but not everywhere at the same time. There is a differentiation of time and places and so on.

Generally, sometimes I think Ra died because he didn’t want to see all of that. I mean, he has the last node indicating two in the receptivity. Exactly when he turned in the last quarter of the nodes, he died, in my opinion, avoiding the ugliness that would come. That is just a hypothesis. We need to trust ourselves. That is the only thing you need, to trust your body, yourself, and your Strategy, however, you want to call it, but you will not trust anybody else. Not because everybody wants your bed, but how could somebody else know better than you? It is impossible. I told you, this is my deepest conviction, what the body is capable of. We did not even touch it, but it is evolving, it gets easier to tap into. Things that may seem almost unbelievable today may be very normal in some years.

Amy: Are you talking about in terms of healing or in terms of sensory perception when you’re talking about what the body is capable of?

Peter: First of all, the endurance that the body can withstand if treated in the correct way. Then, of course, the cognition, no question. If you have unfolded your cognition, that is really something that makes a difference. It gives you pleasure, but it’s not only for pleasure, it also has a very practical reason. This being attracted to the right things, the immediate feeling if something is wrong, that is it is difficult to describe, but the body can navigate difficult terrain in a very graceful way. This is what we will need.

Think about the surface. We are expecting really big waves to come, yet the surfers enjoy the big waves. They actually go looking for them. We are supposed to surf the waves of destiny. Therefore, the big waves are nothing to be afraid of. They are an opportunity and a challenge, but if you’re ready to take it on, they will bring us to our highest abilities. Everybody’s lazy, if we don’t have to, we won’t move.

Amy: Well, it seems we’re in the midst of a big wave, in terms of global events now. As you said, with the limitations and the things that we won’t be able to avoid. It seems like quite an impetus to pursue things that we might be too lazy to do at other times.

Peter: Also in that aspect, just trust your body. Your body will tell you when you have to start something and when it comes your way, you recognize it.

John: Why is it so difficult for the mind to trust the body or to step back and let the body take over? Is it momentum from the seven-centered world or is it just ongoing conditioning?

Peter: The mind is a control freak. The mind is usually the Not-Self mind. The Not-Self mind is also afraid to die. Everything that lives wants to continue to live. The mind is the one who has to die in order to be reborn. This is the moment where the mind turns over to the body. That is the moment where it’s dead and my entire life can be reborn into something different. There is a lot of fear in giving up control. That is an illusion anyway, but nevertheless.

Amy: I know that you mentioned this power of the body that we’re still discovering, and I know we’re seeing a lot of people asking about primary health systems in Human Design. It seems like more and more people are becoming aware that it exists and that it’s part of the Human Design work. How do you guide people in working with PHS? I didn’t know anything about it for the first six years that I was working with Human Design. I was just working with Strategy and Authority, but now I see many people come in, and they have some awareness or questions about it immediately as soon as they hear about it. What’s your guidance?

Peter: The beautiful thing with PHS is that you can do it right away if you want. We have just four steps in transformation. The first two, you can start whenever you want, but the last two have to come to you. It has to be the right place, it’s nothing that you can just make. Awakening the mind is a long-term project, to say the least, but you can. If you are ready, you can start your future. Of course, that is the foundation because all higher abilities depend on the weakening of the body. You cannot expect the mind to shine in its brightest light if the body is dumb. Therefore, after Strategy and Authority, this is truly the second step.

Without that, there are great limitations to your process. You still can have a process that leads to somewhere and you get a better life and all these things, but the body is limiting. All cognition abilities in the end come from the body. Also, your quality of life comes very strongly from the body. It is an extreme tragedy how many people are sick unnecessarily. So, PHS is really a very, very good thing. It is actually not so difficult, in most cases, to follow the exceptions. The ones who are ready will start it, but for you, it’s definitely necessary. It would make a great difference. I’ve now been following PHS for 15 years. It is a never-ending process, like the Strategy not already being itself. It is a never-ending process. That alone is very beautiful.

John: Peter, what is your determination?

Peter: I’m a 2nd Color, 2nd Tone. So, open.

John: I’m closed.

Peter: The old bodies.

John: The funny thing about that second-color determination for me was, before I even encountered PHS or started learning about it, I would find myself going back to the same things and eating a very limited, rigid diet. Then, it was explained to me. I did a PHS reading, and that’s what that is. I find that often people will have that experience of, you’ll be showing them something from the point of view of the system, and that ends up being a validation or confirmation of something that they may have already been doing or noticing in themselves. To whatever degree, they were in tune with themselves, with their body.

Peter: Yes, absolutely. It is a confirmation. It is like an ongoing confirmation that it really works.

Amy: It sounds to me like you’re saying that the most important thing is that we reach as many people as we can so that we have the tools we need to weather the times that we find ourselves in.

Peter: Of course, the most important thing is that you do what is right for you. I have to say, if I did not really like to do what I’m doing, then I would do something else. I’m not responsible for the world. There is an open question if I can ever be responsible for myself, but let’s say that I can try. Everything else is nothing for me. I can care about it, but it is definitely not my responsibility. At the same time, I think Human Design has come into the world, and it has reached specific people so far. There is something we have to do, each one in his or her own way. As I told you, I am a collective person, of course, I think it is the dimensions. There is a nature and a perspective.

Amy: Well, thank you so much for talking with us. Your frequency is very unique, as we all are, but as a Human Design teacher. It’s really powerful, so thank you.

Peter: It was a pleasure meeting you. Have a good time, and don’t be afraid. Life is providing.

Amy: That’s something we all need to hear. Thank you.

Peter: It’s a pleasure. You’re very nice people.